1941 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form)

And now, our first category of Retros!! I haven’t paid much attention to past Retro Hugos, but I’m hoping to change that this year. It is an interesting look into the past of the genre, as well as interesting to view these with the hindsight of knowing their impact. Do you consider them as a voter in 1941 might have, looking only at the work? (If that’s even possible.) Or do you take into account the cultural impact the work may or may not have had? Or do you take this opportunity to lift up a neglected work that deserves to be better remembered than it was?


When looking for these, make sure to watch out for other versions from different years. Look for the 1940 version.

1941 Finalist Netflix Hulu iTunes Amazon YouTube
Dr. Cyclops No no no DVD/VHS Yes
Fantasia Yes no no DVD/Blu-Ray no
Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe no no no Rent, Free with CONtv? (free trial), DVD Yes
One Million B.C.  no no no used VHS Yes
The Thief of Bagdad no Yes no DVD/Blu-Ray no

Any thoughts on which are worthy for the Hugo Award?

As always, keep in mind the Comment Rules, and let’s discuss the Hugo finalists!

Next Week – Best Movie! (2016)

I have a schedule worked out and will get it posted hopefully later today once I pretty it up some. We will start on May 9 with 2016 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form) since:

  • I would be astounded if those finalists were included in the voter packet,
  • most of us are probably already familiar with the finalists, and should be able to access them easily if not,
  • I don’t see a problem discussing these on their merits alone,
  • it’s an exciting category with some really fun finalists, and
  • I didn’t get to it during nomination season.

The plan is every weekday to open a thread on each of the finalists in order listed on the Hugo site. Then just comment away and discuss them!! I will leave all comment threads open for the duration of the voting period. So, even though we will focus on particular categories each week, you can comment on them from that point on.

My main restriction is that on this site, we will only discuss the finalists on their merits as award worthy or not. Discussions of how they were nominated, larger cultural issues, etc. are all very important, but, those discussions are taking place in dozens upon dozens of other locations. Here we will only talk about the finalist works themselves.

Then on May 16, we will move on to:

  • 1941 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form) to give some time for people to watch them since many of us haven’t seen most of these
  • 2016 Best Related Work & John W. Campbell Award for New Writer since we need to double up some, and with something like the Campbell where there is the possibility of a body of multiple works, it would be useful to early on discuss what might be most award worthy (by those who are familiar with the writer) and then those of us who aren’t can have time to become familiar.



I managed to track down general availability of the movies and listed that below. If anyone has other commonly available sources, let me know.

2016 Finalist Thread opens Netflix Hulu iTunes Amazon YouTube
Avengers: Age of Ultron May 9 no no Yes Yes (no rent?, free with Starz sub) Purchase
Ex Machina May 10 no no Yes Yes, free rent with Amazon Prime Rent or purchase
Mad Max: Fury Road May 11 no no Yes, no rent Yes, no rent Purchase
The Martian May 12 no no Yes Yes Rent or purchase
Star Wars: The Force Awakens May 13 no no Yes Yes Rent or purchase

And for the following wee, here is what I could find for the 1941 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form). When looking for these, make sure to watch out for other versions from different years. Look for the 1940 version.

1941 Finalist Thread opens Netflix Hulu iTunes Amazon YouTube
Dr. Cyclops May 16 No no no DVD/VHS Yes
Fantasia May 17 Yes Yes no DVD/Blu-Ray no
Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe May 18 no no no Rent, Free with CONtv? (free trial), DVD Yes
One Million B.C.  May 19 no no no used VHS Yes
The Thief of Bagdad May 20 no Yes no DVD/Blu-Ray no

Submit Best Dramatic Presentations recommendations!

Here are the submission form and some general guidelines for all submissions.

This week(ish) I am collecting links to recommendations for Best Dramatic Presentation – Short Form and up next is Long Form. So feel free to start submitting both if you like!

Although I’m sure the (well-deserved) perennial recommendations for Doctor Who and Game of Thrones will appear (and please do recommend your favorites from each of those – don’t assume just because they are popular, you don’t need to speak up for them!), I am interested in seeing what other recommendations there are. Sci Fi television is growing nicely especially with Amazon and Netflix getting into the game, and SyFy making a turn back towards the SciFi (beyond MegaBearricane vs. SnailSuperStorm).

What is award-worthy this year and, most importantly, why is it award worthy?

It seems with TV and film, people are far more spoiler-worried, so I humbly request (but don’t require) if you want to include spoilers in your recommendation, please start with the spoiler-free stuff and then warn before hitting spoilers. It’s the polite thing to do. Plus, since that vast majority (if not all) of these will be episodes in an on-going series, it would be extra nice if you included some background info in case someone who has never watched/listened to the series wants to drop in on that one episode you recommend.

Also, TV series seem to always dominate this category, but audio productions qualify as well. So professional podcasts are included (why, oh why hasn’t Welcome to Night Vale not been nominated?!), as well as Radio Dramas common to the BBC (trying to track down if Good Omens was all in December of 2014 or if it lasted into early 2015, as well as what they definitely aired this year).

There is also the occasional series/season-as-a-whole for Long Form debate as well. At a glance, it seems only Heroes Season 1 was nominated and lost, and Game of Thrones Season 1 was nominated and won. So it’s rare, but with more and more of these shows having a much stronger central storyline across an entire season, I can easily seeing it become more common. Netflix is certainly moving in that direction with Daredevil and Sense8 and such (and I’m sure others, Amazon’s Man in the High Castle maybe?, but I’m behind in my watching). Add in mini-series and radio dramas, and I can see motion pictures getting some strong competition – although there are several strong movie contenders as well. Either way, submit your dramatic presentation recommendations of any length, and just make a best guess for category.

I’m sliding into being biased, so I will save that for my own recommendations I will write up in the next few days. If you don’t have a blog or other space of you own, Long Form dramatic presentation has an open thread at Weird Kitties if you like, and Sad Puppies 4 has open threads for Short Form and Long Form. Or I will leave comments open on this message for people to post recommendations if necessary. Remember, I prefer at least a paragraph saying why you loved it.

Thank you for your submissions, and let’s share the love for some great sci fi and fantasy presentations!